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Jordan's date of birth is disputed, but it is clear that he appears in theatrical records from 1635 onwards: so the performance for which these verses were written can hardly have taken place much earlier than around that date. Indeed, it isn't certain that this describes a pre-1642 play, especially since he seems to have been associated with the Red Bull Theatre even during the interregnum period (see Hulse, "Thomas Jordan").
Jordan's date of birth is disputed, but it is clear that he appears in theatrical records from 1635 onwards: so the performance for which these verses were written can hardly have taken place much earlier than around that date. Indeed, it isn't certain that this describes a pre-1642 play, especially since he seems to have been associated with the Red Bull Theatre even during the interregnum period (see Hulse, "Thomas Jordan").


==Works Cited==
==Works Cited==

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Anon. (Before 1665 - unknown date)


Historical Records

Thomas Jordan, "A Prologue to a Play call'd The Florentine Ladies, played in the Night by Gentlemen."

You're welcome to our Ladies, and I know
Most courteous Gallants, Ladies will please you;
Though at this hour, or midnight, else I'le swear
Most of our Knights are lost with the last year:
These creatures are of Florence , and not scorn
To let you know they are Italians born;
Your Ladies, worthy Gentlemen, 'tis thought
Love things that are far fetch't and dearly bought:
Why should not they who of this opinion are
Let you love Ladies that are come so far;
It is a question, and they may mistake
Our Ladies to be Ladies of the Lake;
Which in our English broadness is a Whore,
Then what are we, nay they that keep the door;
What are you too, my Masters? something 'tis
That make your Wives thus follow you to this.
A shrew'd suspicion when our wandring Knights
Arrest strange Ladies, and so late at nights;
But there's no hurt, for if they please but you,
We doubt not they'l content your Ladies too.
Pray take't as 'tis, the best we can afford,
If we do please, why so. Hab nab's the word.

"The Epilogue, on New-Years-Day at Night".

With the New Year these Marriages begin,
Which will be broke e're the next year come in,
Unless your hands do give us, all our pains
In Love is lost, if you forbid the banes:
But if you grant us Licence, and appear
Each day to see us thorow the whole year;
Come to our Wedding, to requite your loves,
Shew us your hands we'l fit you all with Gloves.

Thomas Jordan, A Nursery of Novelties (1665) 16-17.


Theatrical Provenance

Unknown beyond what Jordan says.


Probable Genre(s)

Comedy ending in multiple marriages.

Possible Narrative and Dramatic Sources or Analogues

Edward Sharpham, The Fleire? See discussion

References to the Play

None known


Critical Commentary

These poems occur in Jordan's collection of mainly occasional writings A Royal Arbor of Loyal Poesie, reissued in 1665 under the title A Nursery of Novelties. As early as Halliwell (99), they were being taken as evidence for a lost play entitled The Florentine Ladies.

Not listed as a separate piece in Sibley.
Harbage (158) includes it with conjectural date range c.1659-1660.
Listed as a separate entry by Bentley (5.1333), who observes, "These titles would suggest an occasional piece by amateurs, but lines 4-8 of the epilogue seem to be more appropriate for professional players… There seems to be no reason to identify The Florentine Ladies with The Florentine Friend".

For What It's Worth

Richard Brome's lost The Florentine Friend is discussed here.


Jordan's date of birth is disputed, but it is clear that he appears in theatrical records from 1635 onwards: so the performance for which these verses were written can hardly have taken place much earlier than around that date. Indeed, it isn't certain that this describes a pre-1642 play, especially since he seems to have been associated with the Red Bull Theatre even during the interregnum period (see Hulse, "Thomas Jordan").

Works Cited

Halliwell, James O. A Dictionary of Old English Plays. London: John Russell Smith, 1860.
Hulse, Lynn. ‘Jordan, Thomas (c.1614–1685)’, Oxford DNB, 2004, online edn, Jan 2008.
Sharpham, Edward. The fleire. London: F. B[urton], 1607.


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